Atheist: Does God exist?
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Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, ” My special congratulations to you”, because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief – he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.
My Muslim brothers may question me, “Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?” The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ – meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.
Logical Concept of God
My first question to the atheist will be: “What is the definition of God?” For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities – therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.
If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.
Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.
The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.
If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, ” Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
way to much to read. and no
February 26th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Not reading that.
No.
March 2nd, 2010 at 6:53 am
-_-
“Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods”
No… just gods.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:31 am
That was a lot of words… and you hardly said anything.
No, I don’t believe in any gods, not even yours.
March 8th, 2010 at 10:26 am
If atheism is the first step to becoming a Muslim I’m going back to Church.
OK I actually read that and now I’m pissed – what a waste of time.
March 10th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
To answer the only real question you had: no, God does not exist.
To answer your wall of text: that is nicely written, but engages in numerous fallacies, the final one being more or less a variant on the watchmaker fallacy.
March 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
How confusing! Are you a Muslim or an Atheist…? It seems you are manipulating the question.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
You actually believe this nonsense your sputtering?
March 16th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
That’s a lot of words.There is a saying “Actions speak louder than words”.I ascribe to that saying.Although your words are loud,they are not nearly as loud as the countries dominated by Sharia law,the millions of women with mutilated *********.In other words,your words DO NOT match what actually occurs.When they do,I may give your query further regard
March 18th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
There is no logical concept of god, because, there is no god.
That things impossible to exist – for one, body functions..with what?
You crying nice, but on the wrong grave
Islam is a breeding ground for terrorists in current situation
No atheist will ever believe in your god, christian god, hindu god or aztec, maya and inka god
case closed
PS
Quote:
´´Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.´´
We do not reject god..we do not BELIEVE in it
March 18th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
im not reading all that.
thats kind of the definition of atheist isn’t it? we dont believe in any god(s)
March 19th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
No. And I bet you’ve converted zero atheists.
You may ask “what created the universe?” and answer “God.”
I ask “What created God?” and answer “man.”
March 20th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
I don’t think he exists, but I know the definition.
God = The almighty being, and creator of the universe.
I admire your optimism and your wonderful theory of God and the pen.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm
The first person who will be able to provide details of any mechanism would be the first person to *study* it.
In nature plenty of machines have evolved without any intelligent creator.
March 25th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Regarding the first part, I get what you’re saying. The majority of atheists, at least here in the US, did not have atheist parents. This isn’t to say that all Christians or all Hindus or what not simply go by those labels because they’ve inherited them (and feel obligated), but there seem to be more atheists PER CAPITA who take the subject of religion seriously enough to take the time to think it over and come to a decision on where they stand on the issue. Same with Wiccans or any other minority religious position.
The rest of your post is just rewordings of fallacies we’ve all heard a thousand times before: the “you have to define it to deny it” claim, the “No True Scotsman Fallacy”, and the “watchmaker” argument.
>>a person to say there is no God, he should know
>>what is the meaning of God.
Atheism is defined as the lack of belief in deity. That doesn’t necessarily mean making the positive ASSERTION that deities don’t exist, but simply not having such a belief. Even so, I’ve heard numerous definitions of “God” from different people and different religions. And all the ones I’ve heard were either too contradictory (e.g. both benevolent and omnipotent) or too vague to be of any practical use (e.g. “God is Love”).
>>The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam.
This is the old “No True Scotsman” fallacy. You don’t get to redefine “Muslim” to exclude the zealots. The people who flew the planes on 9/11 were specifically driven by a devout belief in Islam. People like that can justify their actions with quotes straight out of the Koran. If there is no single unambiguous interpretation of the Koran, then why should an atheist take one interpretation over another just on your say-so?
>>After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the
>>creator of that object.’
And finally, you end with a variation on the ever so tiresome “watchmaker” argument. This is so full of holes that I don’t know where to begin:
March 27th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Indeed, it is thought-provoking, but ultimately, I shall stay an Atheist.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
This sort of twee smugness and play school philosophy makes me wonder how some people can get through life without the ability to analyse and test their beliefs.
April 5th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
I read it.
The issue with atheists is that they try to deny the existence of God. The laws of logic are pretty clear – one cannot through reason prove or disprove the existence of a deity.
Of course, you are right to say that the Universe began somehow. Indeed, there must have been some ignition to start the whole process. However, what that is, I am not sure, nor do I believe it can be known. Hence why I am a mystic.
Atheists are exactly like the religious, in that they tacitly deny the existence of God, but this as well requires faith. The existence of God cannot be DISproven by logic, so it is silly to argue (as they often do) that the religious are responsible for providing proof to the atheists.
Rather, those wishing to be completely in accord with logic simply admit that it cannot be known except through personal experience.
April 6th, 2010 at 12:59 am
Man I thought you were a troll at first.
You know, we’ve already heard ALL the points you made above, and they were rejected. This is actually why we are atheists.
April 6th, 2010 at 5:43 am
Naturally I have concluded, as an atheist, that God does not exist, or I would not be one.
And if the best you have is a variation of the fallacious watchmaker argument to support the case otherwise, you *add* to the case for my atheism.
You are quite right. All you need to do is trim down the Shahada a little to be spot-on.
You already disbelieve in thousands of Gods, and think you are right to do so. Why do you stick at adding one more to the long list?
April 8th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Conversely, you, and all other monotheists, are just one god short of making sense.
Oh, and your argument for God works just as well for unicorns.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Interesting dude, I understood most of it. But let’s face it, your essay is not persuasive enough to convert an atheist to Islam. But let me tell you something, you at least helped me clear up some confession about God, so I thank you.
Nevertheless, I’m still a bit confused. The more I think , the more I question myself.
April 13th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
“What is the definition of God?”
A god, for this question, is any supernatural being, responsible for creating any part of this universe, by any supernatural means. Additionally, it should be, in some way, possible to interact with this god. Either there’s a book it supposedly had some hand in writing, or some method of prayer, etc.
“If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism”
Cite me a verse from the Qu’ran that could be used to condemn Islamic terrorist organizations.
“a religion which does not give rights to women”
Oh, sure, women have rights in Islam. They’re just not equal rights. Women are not equal to men.
2:282. Theft requires two male witnesses, or one male witness and two female witnesses. A woman’s eyewitness testimony is worth exactly half that of a man’s.
4:11, men get twice as much inheritance as a woman.
I mean, c’mon. 4:20 is a rule about exchanging wives.
“a religion which contradicts science”
It does, despite claims related to Bucaillism.
I’m done with your rant.
April 16th, 2010 at 9:48 am
I see your point, I think you mean the first cause idea, which has a philosophical validity to a point. But when you introduce the idea of a god creator into the physical world you hit trouble with there being no evidence.
The proof of the existence of a creator would be a signature, if you like, something that couldn’t come about in any way but created with no previous history of existence. We simply haven’t found anything like that.
You could argue that all existence has it’s origin that way, but we haven’t come close to the origin of existence to know yet, so its still speculation.
April 17th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
i want you to know that i’m not in my religion just because i was born here, not like many who were just stamped as members of their religion.
also, Islam is not a merciless religion but many who are call as members of that religion are, so many people think that Islam is a merciless religion.
lastly, you really used a lot of words that i can’t focus question. God exists. No need to prove something that already exists. It’s just the stubborn mentality that denies the existence of God…
God is the Reservoir of All Pleasure…
April 20th, 2010 at 8:05 am
do you exist?
April 21st, 2010 at 7:48 am
No. No gods exist.
Rhetoric will not convince me
April 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am
God does not exist, look at the facts:
-The bible says that god created the earth is 6 days, and created man on the 7th, how long were these 7 days because dinosaurs were around millions of years before humans and other life before them.
-The bible does not mention any other planets or anything because they hadn’t been discovered yet if god was talking to them or whatever to let them know he created earth why didn’t he mention the others.
-The stories of Jesus are set in jerusalem and stuff, which is a muslim country, not only was it inhabited by romans in the bible, they were all jews, and jesus was white, i mean ***.
-Nearly all of Jesus’ miracles can now be explained by science, even italian scientists have discovered how to run on water.
I can keep going but don’t want to make this post so long that its unreadable. So to sum up religion in one word is RUBBISH.