Proof of GOD to Athiests,pls read the entire thing?
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Suppose I ask you tht there is an object for instance lets say an Unidentified flying object which no one in the world has seen,no human being in this world knows about this object and if it is brought in front of you and I ask you who will be the first person to tell the mechanism of this object which no one in the world has seen. After you hear my question you might say the person who would no about this object is the creator, manufacturer or producer or whatever .
Now I have some more questions:
1.How did the universe come into existence? –You will say the “The Big Bang Theory”. When did we find out about it , you will say recently , recently in terms of science is 30yrs,50 or 100yrs. The quran speaks about the Big bang theory 1400 years ago. The bible also speaks about the big bang theory but has many unscientific points in it such as the earth was formed bfore the sun where as science tells us earth Is part of the parent body which is the sun, the light was existed before the source of the light, the bible also says the vegetation was created on the third day and the sun on the fourth day how can the vegetations be created before the sun which is the source of their energy, But the quran does not make any such false claims. For more light on this subject pls aquire a vcd of the debate The quran and the bible in the light of modern science-between Dr.Zakir naik and Dr.William Campbell, Dr.William Campbell is the author of the book The bible and the quran in the light of history and science in which he alleged the quran to be unscientific and plagiarisation, which have all been proved false in an open public debate and none of the wrong things in the bible was proven right. Then Dr.Campbell agreed to not have any answers for them.
2.The moon is reflected light it is not its own light, science found that out around may be 50 yrs or 100yrs ago but the quran speaks about it 1400 yrs ago, who could have wrote it in their.Many ppl say that Aristotle wrote about it way before the quran but this topic is also covered in the debate.
3.We thought the sun was stationary, but recently we found out that it rotates and revolves around not more than 20 yrs ago, but the quran mentions this 1400 yrs ago. Who could have mentioned this in the quran?
4.How was the universe initially , Any person with knowledge would say it was smoke, the quran mentions it was smoke 1400 yrs ago.
5.The quran also says that there is an unseen barrier between salty and sweet water which is forbidden to be tresspassed(meaning the salty water though flows into the sweet they do no mix), science found this out 1400 years later.Who could have mentioned this in the quran?
6.Quran says that iron was flown from the heavens, science tell us that to create one atom of iron we need the energy or around 4 galaxies like ours hence stating Iron is an extra terrestrial metal. Who coud have mentioned this in the quran ?
These are only 5 or 6 of the points which I mentioned above from more than 1000 verses in the quran which speak about science. Established science doesn’t conflict with anything the quran has to say. For more info on what the quran has to say about science science pls purchase the vcd The Quran and Modern science- Conflict or conciliation by Dr.Zakir Naik. It is a 5 disc set of vcd’s and scientifically gives an explanation of the verses in the quran.
Let us talk about the theory of probabilities
If you have two choices out of which one is right , the chances that you will make the right choice at random is one in two.For example if I toss a coin it can either be heads or tails, the chance that I will be rite will be one in two, if I toss it twice the chances that I will be right both the times will be one upon two multiplied by one upon two tht is one upon four i.e 25% chance.If I toss it thrice the chances I will be right all three time will be ½* ½* 1/2 = 1/8 i.e is 12 ½ % . A dice has got six sides , if I roll a dice, the chances that I will get the side I chose will be 1/6 , if I throw it twice the chances that I will be right both the times will be 1/6* 1/6= 1/36, this is called as theory of probability. If I roll the dice twice and then toss a coin and all three being right will be 1/6 * 1/6 * ½ = 1/72. So I ask the athiest tht the chances of only three of the verses from the thousand verses that speak about signs of god through science is 0.05%, if you apply the theory of probability to all the scientifically proven facts established by science mentioned in the Quran coming right at random is zero or negligible and in math anything 1 in 10 raised to 50 it is equal to zero. So I ask the athiest , who could have written all this , the only answer any person would have is that it is the creator ,Science tells us today tht it is not eliminating “GOD”, science is only eliminating models of God.
For any one to understand the total concept of existence of God pls refer to the VCD – The quran and Modern science –Conflict or conciliation by Dr.Zakir Naik
For ppl who assume the Quran to be plagiarised from the Greeks and The Bilbe pls refer to the vcd The Quran and the Bible in the light of Modern Science between Dr.Zakir Naik and Dr.William campbell.-5 disc set
I am not forcing you to believe what I am saying , Watch the above two vcds and decide for yourself.
ppl who are yawning ….if u still dont c the truth u r just ignoring the truth..and are scared that u might have to live ur life in the the relegious code rather than living it however u felt like or doing what ever u felt like.
jaskatia : the quran has not been taken from any old scriptures , it was revealed in arabic and is preserved the same way it was revealed.
Diane M and tom P:
dont just write things without knowing anything , those things are there in the quran , The vcd of the topic The quran and modern science-Conflict or conciliation has everything , even the reference to where in the quran all this is said, if u be kind enuf to spend some time do some research and then type that would be nice, u wouldnt be misleading ppl atleast.
Everyone who is trying to prove me wrong y dont u just see the video and then talk to me , watch the video it has answers to all ur questions , and every word of the things i wrote is true u just misinterprit the quran , once u watch the video u will know for urself that what is right or wrong, Just watch it then decide for urself.
quran does no contradict with established science anywhere, it is u ppl who misunderstand it. U probably get all that from anti-islamic websites where all they try to do is maline islam through false accusations just one example one of the guys said joseph saw eleven planets , he saw eleven stars and all the other points have valid explanation.
February 27th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
I’m on your side, and there’s no way that I’m reading that whole thing.
For the record, I see no “Proof” as your original question stated–merely presuppositon that is no more valid than that of Atheistic naturalism.
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
All of those ideas existed a long time ago. Science isn’t claiming to have thought of them recently. Native Americans thought that the world was round.
And when does the bible talk about the Big Bang Theory?
March 2nd, 2010 at 11:50 pm
I’d rather believe the actual hard evidence rather than what some religion states and I don’t think I’d be the only one to say that.
If I ever have kids, I’d much rather they be taught how the world was actually created rather than some creationist clap-trap, whichever religion it comes from.
March 4th, 2010 at 6:47 am
(Yawn).
Goody, more religious babble.
You haven’t proven anything to me, pal.
March 4th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Of Course God created the heavens and the earth.And Jesus did die on the cross.And if you ask Jesus to come into your heart you will be saved and obey the Holy Spirit you will do God’s work.And if you forgive and love God and everyone you have obeyed all the commandments.
March 7th, 2010 at 6:39 am
You are trying to find excuses for believing in bullshit.
You are not giving proof, just speaking of some people giving their opinions.
March 8th, 2010 at 1:55 am
Yawn. Everyone knows there is no proof for God. Unless you somehow redefine the word proof into BS like you have so nicely done.
Thanks for wasting my time.
Advocates of Holy Books have a strange tendency. They say that the scriptures that vaguely and haphazardly agree with modern science as being FORETOLD while all the scriptures that don’t agree with modern science as being SYMBOLISM. I wonder why that it?
March 11th, 2010 at 7:15 am
I am so uninspired that I can’t even answer but concur with the yawners.
March 14th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
you do make an interesting point…but… like the bible, the quran has been muddled up, taken apart and translated again and again by humans! i have never read it myself (although, i might now) but, have you? the thing with old religion is that it is continually interpreted to have different meaning dependant upon the reader/translator so therefore, unless it actually (literally) says “the moon does not have its own light source” e.t.c. it is obviously the interpretation of a mere mortal, and, studiers of religion are constantly bending the facts to make religious text meet their wants! also, i think you will find, upon further study, that ALOT of ancient civilisations (like the egyptians, for example) had it scientifically right, in regards to what they thought was going on in the world around them and that we today are only RELEARNING what they already knew! food for thought? as you said above, i am not trying to convince you that what im saying is right, but it is always wise to be a little bit skeptical of what others have to say, and even more wise to just read it yourself and come to your own conclusions.
March 17th, 2010 at 12:31 am
What you showed in definitely the proof of God.
People who turn their faces away from truth cant see the truth
Athesim=Paganism
March 18th, 2010 at 9:10 am
OK… I’m going to be honest here and say i barely read any of your question (its a lot of reading when i just got up). I don’t know if what your talking about is true, and to be honest don’t care, in my eyes believing in god is the same as believing in Santa and elves. also can i ask where your question is?
March 20th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
the only thing you proved is that you have no idea what you are talking about. become an atheist and you will be happier, instead of trying to explain nonsense with your tedious rants.
March 20th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Nothing there. No proof of any kind. The Quran says many things, some of them evil to other humans.
March 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 pm
I. WHERE in the koran does it mention the Big Bang? And where does it justify it against the:
Shrinking Universe.
Steady State
Multiple Bang
-all perfectly sound positions?
2. Again – WHERE in the koran?
3. Maybe the koran thought the sun was stationary. The rest of us have known it rotates since Galileo observed sunspots.
4. I don’t think anybody, except perhaps this hypothetical koran, thought the Universe was smoke.
5. What “unseen barrier”? Where?
6. Science says nothing LIKE the energy of 4 galaxies. That must be in your koran as well.
7. Now I find that this is a long-winded commercial for somebody’s propaganda. Should have said that earlier and saved me the trouble of trying to help you.
March 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
I read about half of it and gave up. A few things that stand out:
Creating an atom of iron does not require the energy of four galaxies.
The universe did not start as “smoke”.
It’s been known that the sun is not stationary for several centuries. I don’t know exactly when it was learned that it rotates, but I know it was in or before the Nineteenth Century – not “20 years ago”.
It’s been known that the moon reflected the light of the sun at least since the ancient Greeks. Heck, they even knew the Earth was round, and one of the reasons they gave was that the shadow of the Earth on the Moon during an eclipse was round. If they knew it was the Earth’s shadow causing the eclipse, what do you think they thought was the light source?
If this is a sample of the “science” in those videos, I believe I’ll pass.
Edit: I see. If science contradicts the Koran, then science is wrong. Doesn’t that pretty much shoot down your entire question?
March 23rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Look – if anyone can prove science books wrong, the documents change to reflect. Should anyone have indisputable evidence to show Christianity or the Qu’ran wrong, the whole religion gets tossed. That’s why the heavy religious brainwashing.
I feel that since all these religions are out there and they are all self-sufficing, the only people getting it truly right are the scientists who are still out there testing and searching. At least they can admit fault.
March 24th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Please provide verses for your Quran proof.
People look at Nostradamus as a prophet, but it just shows that if you sling enough bull**** around, some will stick. Why does the Quran think women are possessions and can be beat?
March 26th, 2010 at 7:01 am
1/ This planet is a breakaway from another planet.
and No skyfairy had anything to do with its formation,if you say it has then you are a very delusional person!!you religion and that of Christianity are all based on fiction,the
BIBLE is a book just like Harry Potter,it is fiction as are the
people it is based on!! I would much rather read HP and believe in what goes on in his life than what went on in the
Guy hanging from a stick on a hill,with two other people ??
( Thieves ) !!
March 27th, 2010 at 8:33 am
Let me answer question one point at a time, in the order you present them:
1. The Quran does not mention a ‘Big Bang’ via the modern cosmological model; rather, it references that the universe was a void without shape until given shape by ‘God’. Sorry…not the same thing. Almost every religion states practically the same.
2. Yes, the light from the moon is reflected light…which the Greeks and Chinese figured out BEFORE it is mentioned in The Quran. They had completely non-religious explanations for this phenomenon. If you recall, the countries of the Middle East 1400 years ago actually had a very good grasp of primitive optics and good understanding of astronomy. This was understood scientifically, not because ‘God’ told them.
3. The Bible, The Gita and early Norsemen also thought the Sun was mobile. As a matter of fact, MOST primitive religions thought the Sun moved. We may have discovered that the Sun is not an entirely stationary, but that doesn’t vindicate Islam or any other religion.
4. I have no idea where you get this from. Not one person with even a tertiary understanding of physics or cosmology would say the universe was ever at any point composed of smoke.
5. Again, I don’t know where you are getting this from. Every primitive culture that was agricultural in nature knew that salt water and fresh water flowed from separate sources. The Greeks most certainly understood this since they used mass irrigation systems.
6. Iron is an extraterrestrial metal? Have you studied ANY basic science? Iron is an ELEMENT, listed on the Periodic Table. Iron may have formed, initially, outside of the Earth when the Earth was still forming…but so did every other element. There is nothing supernatural about this.
There are two basic flaws in your argument. The first is blatant misinterpretation By viewing a verse and assigning what you WANT it to mean rather than what it DOES mean is complete intellectual dishonesty, although I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not inherently dishonest but overzealous. Your second flaw is the assumption is that if you run across a verse that does convey some bit of scientific accuracy, you automatically attribute that knowledge to ‘God’…and not to the humans who wrote it. Think about it…every religious text is written by devout believers. Those believers are going to believe that any process they discover or any realization that comes to them about the natural world is because “God sent that knowledge” and never give themselves any credit. Thus, it becomes a vicious circle. You’ve been conditioned to believe that it is not your intelligence that enables you to understand but rather the ‘guiding hand of God’. Since such a position is completely non-falsifiable and utterly faith based, it ultimately becomes useless to even argue the point as you’ll never accept any other possibility.
March 27th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
That’s not PROOF. It’s a bunch of words on a screen. What the hell makes people think that because it’s written down in a book or anywhere else REAL? F***ING PINOCCHIO is written down… SPARKY!!!!
March 30th, 2010 at 10:02 am
obviously your definition of proof is different to the standard one
March 30th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
1.Sura Ambiya-21:30
“Do not the unbelivers see tht the heavens and the earths were joined together as 1 unit of creation),before We clove them asunder?….”
Now the question is-modern sceince recently talkd abt the big bang theory and the sceintist who propunded this theory were presented the noble prize.the theory in beleif said that the universe existed inthe form of SMOKE and thr was a big bang that gave existence to the sun,moon,stars etc.the above Aayat has a srtiking congurence to this modern sceintific finding of the early 1970.
Now i ll ask the atheist
how could a book that appeared in the deserts of arabia abt 1425 yrs back contain this profound scientific truth…..
i knw the atheist might say “i dont know” or it “might have appeared by chance”
i ll nt argue bt present u wth another Aayat of the Glorious Quran
2.Sura Ambiya-21:30
Do not the unbelivers see tht the heavens and the earths were joined together as 1 unit of creation),before We clove them asunder?We made from water every living thing.will not then believe?”
Now the question is-Prevoiusly there was no science og genetics and it was only in 1850 tht Dr.Watson discovered abt the D.N.A considered to be the basic unit of life for all the living creatures.later sceince discovered that that this D.N.A in order to survive breaks the chemical bond of the water molecule and consumes both oxygen and hydrogen ions
In shrt D.N.A.the basic unit of life for all the living creatures makes it own life form frm water.the abv aayat we read has striking congurence with the sceintific finding.Again i will ask the atheist
Now i ll ask the atheist
how could a book that appeared in the deserts of arabia abt 1425 yrs back contain this profound scientific truth…..
i knw the atheist might say “i dont know” or it “might have appeared by chance”
i ll nt argue bt present u wth another Aayat of the Glorious Quran
3.surah Muminoon-23:78,Sura Sajda-32:9,Sura Dahar/Insaan-76:2
23:78-”It is He who has created for you(the faculties of) Hearing.sight,feeling and understanding:little thank it is ye give!”
32:9-”….And He gave you (the faculties) of hearing and sight and feeling(and understanding)…………”
76-2″verily We created the man from a drop of migled sperm,in ordr to try him:So We gave him(the gifts) of hearing and sight
Now the question is-previously the medical sceince was not developed.so as to say whether the hearing develops first or sight develops first when the humans are in the womb of their mothers.Very recently sceince advanced and discovered that it is the sense of hearing that develops aftr the 24 week when the retina becomes sensitive to light.In shrt hearing develops bfore sight.
if we consider all the above Aayats they all describe the same ,conciliating with the modern sceince.again i wloud ask the atheist-
how could a book that appeared in the deserts of arabia abt 1425 yrs back contain this profound scientific truth…..
i knw the atheist might say “i dont know” or it “might have appeared by chance”
i ll nt argue bt present him wth the theory of Probability:According to the theory of probability we would judge the things happening by chance.for e.g in our case,above,in the first example that we presented on the sceince of ASTRONOMY regarding the creation of the universe thr can be several options for e.g. some might say it was created frm light while some say it was created from air while othrs might say frm air but to mention the exact will be taken according to the theory of probability as 1/no of options.For example regarding the creation of the universe there are 1000 options thn to mention the correct it would be taken 1/1000
regarding the 2nd example we presented to the atheist frm BIOLOGY,regarding lyf being made frm water thr can be 5000 options.to mention the correct one will be taken according to the theory of probability as 1/5000
similarly fr our thrd example which says abt sight and hearing. thr can be 3 diff options to be mention the correct one it would be taken as as 1/1000 into 1/5000 into 1/3
the result aftr calculating it would be 0.00000006666 which would mean that all these thing happening by chance according to the theory of probabilty is impossible and as such it is proven tht all this does not happen by chance but there is SOMEONE who is CREATING AND PROGRAMMING aal this and HE is responsible for their creation.moreovr to mention all this without error at a time when mankind had no means to find out the reality is possible only to the one WHO CREATED THEM.
Now its up to the atheist to believe or not………….
April 1st, 2010 at 4:29 pm
What exactly was your question? It seems you have answered all of your own questions.
The only thing I can add is that we know the Bible fails to record the exact order of the creation of the universe, but you have to remember that the story was carried down thousands of years orally before it was put into writing. I think they got it pretty darn close after all those years. Don’t you?
April 2nd, 2010 at 11:09 am
Look outside your window.
That is enough proof.
April 2nd, 2010 at 5:51 pm
If it is compared with science, just do you know that god must be created once. so i did’t expect what is god in your openion.
How much god related with science.
For me god is not science, He is a great person with love, honour and a sence of humor towards all species not only some. if not so ……..